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Genre: Sci-Fi & Fantasy, Drama

Director: Joss Whedon,David Greenwalt

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Show status: Canceled

Overview: The vampire Angel, cursed with a soul, moves to Los Angeles and aids people with supernatural-related problems while questing for his own redemption. A spin-off from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

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Watching season 2 of this alongside Buffy season 5 in the near future.
 
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Angel
Judgment
Season: 2
Episode: 1
Air date: 2000-09-26

Guest stars: Julie Benz, Justina Machado, Christian Kane, Eliza Dushku, Stephanie Romanov, Keith Campbell, Rob Boltin, Iris Klein, Andy Kreiss, Matthew James, Glenn David Calloway, Edward James Gage, Jason Frasca, Andy Hallett
Angel protects a pregnant woman being hunted down demons after he inadvertently slays her guardian.



So this is what Hell looks like. So much for fire and brimstone. ? Jokes aside, it's a shame Angel couldn't sing as well as he dances (or imagined-dance). Why couldn't Lorne see into demons' aura through dancing instead? lol

This was a good season opener, if a little shaky. It refreshes the audiences on what came before in season 1's finale (the scroll, the return of Darla, Lindsey's prosthetic hand), with the LA team going about their job at the beginning like it's business as usual. I'm watching the 4:3 version of Angel so I didn't really notice the error in David Boreanaz's reflection at the gym in the 16:9 version, fortunately for me. Way to go Fox for ruining another show.

I like the idea of Angel becoming cocky having learned of his possible mortality in the future; it's very human of him and leads us to a very dark moment in the episode that was so heavy that I was grateful for Cordelia's timely interruption: "And you... (makes neck-snapping noise)?"

Speaking of "Tact is just not saying true stuff," I laughed at Cordy's self-aware line when she accidentally addressed Gunn with a really cringey racial stereotype. lol "Oh lord, will no one shut me up?" I love Cordy's self-consciousness. Plus, she's a better actress now!

The Tribunal was... odd, yes, but I don't know. There's a charm to the medieval jousting that I liked, and I'm intrigued to see if this baby would really become some important savior down the road. It all gives Angel this larger than life vibe that I enjoy, even if it's a bit campy.

Overall, the main appeal for this episode is Angel's focus on what's important for his quest: saving one soul at a time, not rushing with reckless abandon to gain some reward. The ending with Faith resonates with the redemption theme I've come to love Angel for. A quirky if slightly unimportant episode.

Final Rating: 6/10
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I never got into Angel, though I liked the character of Angel when he debuted on Buffy. Another one on my "to watch" list.
 
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Mendalla said:
I never got into Angel, though I liked the character of Angel when he debuted on Buffy. Another one on my "to watch" list.
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It's really great. I ended up liking it (a little more) than Buffy because it has a far more somber tone examining the themes of redemption and the meaning of our choices as an adult. If Buffy is a show about the struggles of adolescence, Angel does the same for adulthood.
 
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Angel
Are You Now or Have You Ever Been
Season: 2
Episode: 2
Air date: 2000-10-03

Guest stars: Tommy Hinkley, John Kapelos, Scott Thompson Baker, J.P. Manoux, Brett Rickaby, David Kagen, Melissa Marsala, Terrence Beasor, Eve Sigall, Julie Araskog, Tom Beyer, Tony Amendola
In the 1950s, Angel aids a woman hiding from her past inside a hotel with a long history of death and mayhem. Meanwhile, in the present day, Angel and his colleagues hunt down a demon responsible for the carnage.

Back when I was watching The X-Files, season 5, a writer's name was mentioned in someone else's review, Tim Minear, stating that while it's a shame that Chris Carter didn't utilize Minear's talent for the rest of The X-Files, Tim would eventually go on to work with Joss Whedon on Angel. Watching this episode reminds me of that comparison, especially when I think about the two episodes from The X-Files that Tim has worked on: both are whodunits and have the same mystery (and superhero) element seen in this episode, something Tim seems to be very capable of. It also helps that he has worked on " Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman", which may have helped prepare him for Angel, which can also be considered superhero(ish).

What's also noteworthy is that out of those two episodes, he serves as a co-writer for one script, while the other where he's the sole writer, "Mind's Eye", has a similarly poignant but moving ending involving a woman coming to acceptance with her past. It's just a little detail I find interesting as a writer, and Tim's ability to handle themes of redemption and the confrontation with one's past makes me look forward to more of Tim's future works in the realm of Angel.

With Angel being set in LA, it was a matter of time before more elements of Hollywood come into play, namely haunted hotels. It's a good episode that has Angel working to reconcile with another piece of his past, coming to terms with it the same way Judy does. While I love the use of the noir-setting period piece, I can't help but feel like Angel's development here is contained within the past moment here, that the series could easily do without this flashback and wouldn't affect Angel's characterization. Angel's attempt to resolve a sin of his past here feels like a road-trip, a pitstop on his journey to resolve many other sins from his past, whereas I'm more interested in the "now" and how Angel's decisions in the present would change him as a person for the better or worse. In the case of saving Judy, it feels like business as usual, saving just another soul.

6/10
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Angel
First Impressions
Season: 2
Episode: 3
Air date: 2000-10-10

Guest stars: Julie Benz, David Herman, Lucas Babin, Edwin Hodge, Christopher Babers, Cedrick Terrell, Alan Shaw, Angel Parker, Ray Campbell, Janet Song, Sarah Brooke, Kelli Kirkland, Andy Hallett
Angel encounters an amorous Darla in his dreams; Cordelia vows to protect Gunn after she experiences a vision depicting him in mortal danger.

The thing about Gunn I was concerned about even back in season 1 is his racial association. The "angry black man" stereotype can become problematic and should be handled with care. Fortunately, Gunn's portrayal, his anger and fear about living in a rough neighborhood, feels realistic and relatable, as is his self-destructiveness.

Cordelia gets a significant character development here that feels nuanced from her usual desire for redemption. Ever since the trauma she went through in the season 1 finale, feeling the torment of millions of souls all at once, she has taken on a more active role in helping people like Gunn in her own spiritual and therapeutic way (not to mention her medical skills).

I love Cordy's reaction to David's geek talk on finance, and it's a shame that this will be the last we see of David Nabbit. I like his quirky D&D nerd gimmick. It's cute in an innocent and boyish kind of way, especially when paired with the juxtaposition of his business-savvy intellect.

I like the acknowledgement of Denzel Washington and his great acting chops. I've seen Malcolm X just a month ago, and it's a shame he never got an Oscar for that role. Dumb Academy. I agree with Angel and Cordelia about Denzel's consistently good performances because I don't think I've ever seen a film (or at least many films) where he phones it in.

And finally, Dangel. In spite of knowing that this is probably the start of Angel losing his way from the path of redemption and righteousness, I can't help but kinda dig the Dangel moments here, especially with how great Julie Benz is. She definitely has a flair for the kind of charismatic and sensual character Darla is that's so distinct from her performance in Dexter as the dutiful wife. Great stuff.

Overall, a nice character-centric episode that does well in exploring Gunn and his frustration with watching people around him die. I would say he's a bit too hard on himself and it's not technically his fault all the time, but it's understandable why he would feel such insecurity growing up the way he did, always having to watch his back.

7.5/10
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Angel
Untouched
Season: 2
Episode: 4
Air date: 2000-10-17

Guest stars: Julie Benz, Gareth Williams, Sam Anderson, Stephanie Romanov, Daisy McCrackin, Madison Eginton, Drew Wicks, David Meunier, Michael Harte
Angel attempts to help a girl with telekinetic powers before she falls into the hands of Wolfram and Hart.

This episode was seven levels of yucky. Initially, I liked the boldness of Angel for tackling such a horrible subject matter - it's this kind of tone that separates it from BtVS - but man, the execution of it is horrible. There are so many cringeworthy lines and scenes that tread the territory of victim shaming, and I think this is made worse by the fact that it's not the first time AtS has been this yucky in regards to subjects about sexual assault (see "She"). It's a massive disappointment to not only see that the writing team has not learned anything... but to see that this episode's been directed by Joss Whedon? What?! Holy cow. Guess those accusations about him being a false feminist might not be too far off.

But for what it's worth, much as I'm crept out by the writing, I can kinda see why Angel said that "Finish it" line. He wanted her to get back the control over her body from her father, albeit in a very forceful way that's totally not how real victims would recover from such trauma. But food for thought.

5/10
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Angel
Reunion
Season: 2
Episode: 10
Air date: 2000-12-19

Guest stars: Julie Benz, Elisabeth Röhm, Christian Kane, Sam Anderson, Juliet Landau, Stephanie Romanov, Stephanie Manglaras, Karen Tucker, Erik Liberman, Katherine Ann McGregor, Michael Rotondi, Pamela Buck
The newly revamped deadly duo of Drusilla and Darla hit the streets of L.A. Angel is frantic, searching for the terrible twosome.

Annnnnd it all makes sense. lmao I knew I should've waited 'till the end of the season to discuss its episodes. "Are You Now or Have You Ever Been" makes greater sense in the context of later episodes like this. ?

But I guess I should've seen it coming. It's all been building up to this. Knowing "Epiphany" is in the season, I guess I let my guard down and thought that Angel would choose the higher calling, ignoring the signs so far that show just how far gone Angel is, how he has lost sight of his original goal. Moreover, it makes sense when you think back to "Blind Date", when Angel became frustrated by W&H's ability to get away with their crimes, how he misses the clarity of Angelus colored in black and white, not grey ambiguous tones.

God, I love this episode. At risk of sounding clichéd, this is the "Empire Strikes Back" for Angel, the darker sequel that challenges the personal values of its protagonist to see if he could rise up to the challenge when the chips are down, when he's pushed to the brink of desperation. Angel, unfortunately, has let his past defined him, perpetuating the cycle once more as he did in "Are You Now". His sins are cyclical.

What's hilarious though is W&H taking on more than they could handle. It mirrors the kind of patriarchal cults in the '90s that lurk in the shadows, pull strings from behind and joining hands with the Devil like the Syndicate in The X-Files or the Millennium group in Millennium, all of whom are arrogant and power-hungry villains who tried to compromise with the forces of evil while thinking they could get the better end of the deal, be it aliens, the apocalypse or vampires, humanity be damned.

Anyway, the season is really starting to become more provocative than BtVS at this point (the quality between those two changes hands so often, doesn't it?); it's certainly better than "Into the Woods".

9/10
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Angel
Happy Anniversary
Season: 2
Episode: 13
Air date: 2001-02-06

Guest stars: Brigid Brannagh, Darby Stanchfield, Frank Novak, Mike Hagerty, Eric Carmen, Matt Champagne, Victoria Garcia-Kelleher, Brendan Wayne, Eric Lange, Geremy Dingle, Bob Jesser, Michael Faulkner, Norma Michaels, Al LeBrun, Andy Hallett
Angel and The Host search for a physicist who, with the aid of to Lubber demons, plans to freeze time so the he and his girlfriend will live in eternal happiness. Meanwhile, Wesley, Cordelia and Gunn start their first official case.

I really don't like how the conflict of this episode came about. BtVS has done this before with Dawn stumbling into a conversation between Joyce and Buffy midway, hearing the worst parts of it and leaving before she could hear the other parts. It's cheap, contrived, lazy, and utterly eye-rolling. I think this episode has a far worse execution though than the Dawn example I mentioned, with the girlfriend literally dumping entire chunks of exposition that the boyfriend needed to hear. At least the conversations between Buffy and Joyce felt more natural, with Dawn coming in midway.

Also, were people in makeup and costumes not that common in '90s LA? Everyone's so shocked at seeing Lorne when people today would've just thought that it's all prosthetic makeup for a movie or something, maybe a student film since this was on campus.

I like the buddy cop relationship between Lorne and Angel though. It's hilarious, how Lorne accidentally threw a book at Angel instead of the demon and the way Lorne apologized in a classy and gentlemanly way befitting him, even though they were in the middle of a fight.

I also like how Angel finally opens up to Lorne about his "mopiness" and how everyone expects him to lighten up and smile instead of being all dark and broody. It feels kinda expository because I already knew why Angel is feeling this way without him telling me, but it's still a nice moment to clarify things and perhaps assure some of the viewers that he's so full of anger for a good reason. Wesley and the others clearly don't approve of his newfound methods (albeit for good reasons), so they're better off far away from the crossfire of Angel's rampage.

The only thing I don't like about heroes going through such dark periods is the fact that they usually don't become that much more effective than before their rampage. Angel only managed to set Darla and Dru on fire instead of killing them, while W&H is still around, having lost only one important member of their little cult. All this is due to the plot armor of the villains and because if they get killed off so soon, there won't be a story anymore. I would love to see a hero going dark actually get things done and stop the bad guy in a way he never could before instead of having the writers going half-measured with the hero's effectiveness. Like, if the villains are so powerful because they're not held back by moral obligations, then why couldn't the hero be as powerful? Angel has displayed some of that intelligence and freedom in stopping W&H his way during "Blood Money", but all he ended up doing was making them pay a fine, probably a small one too considering their amassed fortune. I want to see someone like Light Yagami from "Death Note" who's able to make actual changes in the crime rate and make us question whether if Angel's unethical actions are really acceptable or not. Make it controversial and interesting if you're going down the Dark Angel route.

I guess Angel not being more competent from turning dark is the point, as evident from Wesley here going all Sherlock Holmes in this episode even without Angel or going dark. So far, this Angel going dark plotline is a nice distraction from his path to help the helpless and it gives him more perspective later on in "Epiphany". But I hope they'll do more with his darkness down the road, and from "The Thin Dead Line" trailer, it seems like Angel's rampage will finally have some real impact next episode.
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