Russian Invasion of Ukraine | A War in Europe After Hours

[Scotty G]

NATO now has the opportunity to take the initiative presented by this drone attack on Poland. There is now some 'wind in their sails' and this maybe Putin's first real misjudgment.

Up to now Putin has played Trump politically, but showing up Trump's miscalculations, is not really that helpful now, because this drone attack, whether mistake/misjudgement, it took place in Europe, not Ukraine and has effectively 'moved the ball' into Europe's park.

Sovereignty is not a issue here and Putin cannot hide behind that issue, he is taking it beyond the issues in Ukraine and into the wider European defence issue which engages NATO directly.

It is not some 'sabre-rattling'/'tanks on Putin's lawn' etc.that is needed from NATO, not a threat to put troops into Ukraine, but to prepare and be seen to be preparing to put large scale moblisation plans on every border NATO has with Russia.

This NATO mobilisation needs to be seen clearly to be defensive in nature, but also with real intent undeniable.

 

[David76]

Putin is a victim of Russia's own propaganda, and he has the same contempt for the Poles as he did for the Ukrainians. If he continues with this provocation, he will be making a big mistake. Although Poland is a member of NATO, it still has the right to act independently of NATO to protect its own interests, just as the UK did over the Falklands.

The Poles are absolutely in no doubt that they are high on Putin's list. They know that Russia has been seriously weakened militarily. They know that there aren't thousands of Russian tanks ready to crash across their border. Likewise, they know that Lukashenko has a precarious hold on Belarus and that its mainly the presence of the Russian troops who are stationed there who are keeping him in power.

 

[Abomb]

Wonder what we won't do this time??

 https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1969048847277076975

 

[Birdman]

It is time we stood up to Putin and accept the consequences, whatever they may be, I'm afraid.

 

[Abomb]

It is time we stood up to Putin and accept the consequences, whatever they may be, I'm afraid.

It's the only language he understands

 

[Black Sheep]

Trump spoke on the phone with Putin for over two hours today.

Trump said he made "great progress" with Putin and would look to pencil in a face-to-face meeting with the Russian leader in Budapest soon to discuss how to end the war.

Russia has warned the US against providing Ukraine with Tomahawk cruise missiles.

Andrei Kelin said the missiles, which would allow Kyiv to hit targets much deeper inside Russia than it currently can, "will not change the situation on the battlefield".

"But we will have to react very seriously to this escalation and to the involvement of the US military in launching them," he says.

Earlier, Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said the delivery of the missiles would be an "extremely dangerous move", while former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said it "could end badly for everyone, most of all Trump himself".

Zelenskyy is in America to discuss the war, weapons, and peace. Why does Trump talk with Putin before meeting Zelenskyy?

 

[Bingo]

Once again, Trump is arranging for the USA and Russia to meet up to discuss a possible end to the war in Ukraine - but let's not invite Ukraine or Zelensky, as they will just get in the way of any agreement.

At the same time, we will discuss post-war business deals between ourselves !!

 

[Tom]

Why does Trump talk with Putin before meeting Zelenskyy?

Because Donald Trump is an arsehole.

Here's a quick recap of Russia's reactions to Ukraine potentially getting Tomahawk missiles:

• The Kremlin says Vladimir Putin warned Donald Trump during their phone call today that giving Ukraine Tomahawk cruise missiles would harm US-Russia ties and the peace process;
• Russia's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said the delivery of the missiles would be an "extremely dangerous move" and "an extremely dangerous aggravation of Russia-US relations";
• Russia's ambassador to the UK Andrei Kelin said the missiles, which would allow Kyiv to hit targets much deeper inside Russia than it currently can, "will not change the situation on the battlefield" but Russia "will have to react very seriously to this escalation and to the involvement of the US military in launching them";
• Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said supplying Ukraine with the missiles "could end badly for everyone, most of all Trump himself".

It is true what Zelenskyy said, "rushing to resume dialogue as it hears about Tomahawks".

Russia have no interest in peace. They just offer Trump some praise, suggest a few things, and Trump flip-flops again with his stance. Timing is everything with Russia - engage in talks before Zelenskyy meets in the White House and try to influence Trump.

 

[Franco Pinion]

It seems very much like Russia scored a win by jumping in and talking with Trump first. It doesn't look like the US will be supplying Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine.

I'm not sure why Ukraine thought it was a good idea to publicise that they were seeking long-range missiles - why tell your enemy your next steps?

 

[Bandit]

It seems very much like Russia scored a win by jumping in and talking with Trump first. It doesn't look like the US will be supplying Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine.

I'm not sure why Ukraine thought it was a good idea to publicise that they were seeking long-range missiles - why tell your enemy your next steps?

Yep, I agree. I also think Zelenskyy should have kept his "drones for Tomahawks" proposal behind closed doors.

 https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1979246773441794255