Russian Invasion of Ukraine | A War in Europe After Hours

[Bandit]

Surely every day he gets intel and is briefed on how Russia and China are actively against Europe and America, yet he doesn't seem to care.

I don't think he reads the briefings or at least he didn't during his first presidency.

 

[Bingo]

This proposal is just another fancy surrender letter. No way Ukraine will agree to this shite.

 https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1991200545281851704

Does the US not understand that the aggressor never wants a ceasefire, only a surrender? Why would you want a ceasefire when you are invading another country? Is this simple fact lost on the Americans?

 

[Dylan]

Trump needs standing up to. He cannot be allowed to broker a deal with Putin for his own kickbacks while freezing out the rest of NATO and Ukraine at the same time.

The EU/NATO/UKraine needs to accept that the USA under Trump will side with Russia before its own allies which helped them when they called in Article 5.

 

[Scotty G]

So Trump FINALLY shows his true colours.

Zelenskyy has until Thursday, 27th November, to sign the deal that cowardly Trump told him to sign. The United States has threatened to cut intelligence sharing and weapons supplies for Ukraine to press it into agreeing to the framework of a US-brokered peace deal.

Once again the situation has been thrown into turmoil.

 

[Tom]

There is no way Ukraine will agree to this deal, and, hopefully, Europe will back them to the hilt.

Zelenskyy just gave the speech of his life to the Ukrainian people. Never in his wildest dreams could the coward Trump be capable of this speech. Passionate, inspiring, Churchillian is laying it out as it is! See what this week brings. At least the world now knows what a total piece of shit Trump is.

Amazing that America was part of a group to form NATO after WWII to keep Russia in check. Then surrender to Russia without firing a shot. Truly pathetic.

 

[Dylan]

The full plan

Spoiler

1. Ukraine's sovereignty will be confirmed.
2. A comprehensive non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled.
3. It is expected that Russia will not invade neighboring countries and NATO will not expand further.
4. A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development.
5. Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees.

• A U.S. official told Axios this would be an explicit security guarantee for Ukraine from the U.S., the first time that has officially been on the table during these talks, though the proposal does not offer further details on what it entails.

6. The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel.

• Note: Ukraine's army currently has 800,000-850,000 personnel, and had around 250,000 beforethe war, according to a Ukrainian official.

7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.
8. NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine.

• Note: NATO countries including France and the U.K. have been working on separate proposals that would include small numbers of European troops on Ukrainian soil after the war. This plan appears to disregard that possibility.

9. European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland.
10. The U.S. guarantee:

• The U.S. will receive compensation for the guarantee;
• If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee;
• If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked;
• If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid.

11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered.
12. A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to:

• The creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in fast-growing industries, including technology, data centers, and artificial intelligence.
• The United States will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly rebuild, develop, modernize, and operate Ukraine's gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities.
• Joint efforts to rehabilitate war-affected areas for the restoration, reconstruction and modernization of cities and residential areas.
• Infrastructure development.
• Extraction of minerals and natural resources.
• The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts.

13. Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy:

• The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis.
• The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centers, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.
• Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8.

14. Frozen funds will be used as follows:

• $100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine;
• The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine's reconstruction. Frozen European funds will be unfrozen. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. This fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict.

15. A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement.
16. Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine.
17. The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of treaties on the non-proliferation and control of nuclear weapons, including the START I Treaty.

• Note: New START, the last major U.S.-Russia arms control treaty, is due to expire in February.

18. Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.
19. The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA, and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine — 50:50.
20. Both countries undertake to implement educational programs in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice:

• Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities.
• Both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education. (Note: Similar ideas were incorporated into Trump's 2020 Israel-Palestine peace plan).
• All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited.

21. Territories:

• Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognized as de facto Russian, including by the United States.
• Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact.
• Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions.
• Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarized buffer zone, internationally recognized as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarized zone.

22. After agreeing on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of this commitment.
23. Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea.
24. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues:

• All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on an 'all for all' basis.
• All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children.
• A family reunification program will be implemented.
• Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of the victims of the conflict.

25. Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days.
26. All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future.
27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations.

• Note: This is the same general structure Trump proposed to govern the Gaza peace agreement.

28. Once all parties agree to this memorandum, the ceasefire will take effect immediately after both sides retreat to agreed points to begin implementation of the agreement.

Zelenskyy's address to Ukrainians this evening sounded pretty bleak.

"Right now is one of the most difficult moments in our history. At this moment, Ukraine may face a very hard choice: either the loss of dignity, or the risk of losing a key partner."

 

[Franco Pinion]

I hope Zelenskyy and Ukraine's allies don't agree to this nonsense.

At this moment in time the depth of contempt and disgust I have for the Trump Administration is pretty much total.

 

[Gemma]

This is Europe's decision time, sit on the fence and humour Trump you get the same reward, betrayal.

Trump is a compromised, corrupt, arrogant, self centered buffoon, who adores attention.

He creates chaos to deflect bad news about himself, constant bullshit news is rolled out to keep his machine rolling.

Europe needs to stand together to collectively state this proposal is a surrender by Ukraine to give Trump his badge and allow Putin to get what he wants.

 

[Hera]

I can't see Ukraine, or Europe accepting the plan in its current state. It offers nothing to safeguard the country, and they'll be losing too much land to Russia.

The sentence "it is expected that Russia will not invade its neighbours and that Nato will not expand further" can be used by Russia for anything Russia decide is an expansion, it's essentially a complete capitulation.

 

[Power Ant]

Shocking proposal. Shouldn't be take serious and thrown in the bin where it deserves to be.

I think this is more Trump distraction from the Epstein files and troubles at home.