Formula 1 2020 Motor Sport

[Mouth]

I'd maybe disagree about McLaren. They might be the same team but it is not just McLaren

McLaren Mercedes then McLaren Honda, McLaren Renault and next year they are back to being McLaren Mercedes.

I don't remember McLaren before they had Mercedes engines but maybe they had other engines too and were called something different and William's Renault was a thing for a while before William's Mercedes.

 

[Bandit]

The team names are changing so much it is hard to keep track of who's who.

Of the current teams:

Tyrrell -> BAR -> Honda -> Brawn -> Mercedes
Stewart -> Jaguar -> Red Bull
Jordan -> Midland -> Spyker -> Force India -> Racing Point
Toleman -> Benetton -> Renault -> Lotus -> Renault
Minardi -> Torro Rosso -> Alpha Tauri
Sauber -> BMW Sauber -> Sauber -> Alfa Romeo

McLaren, Ferrari, Williams and Haas are unchanged.

While BAR did buy up Tyrrell assets, they were an entirely new team with a new workforce and factory built up from scratch, so I don't think they would count as a continuation. The rest are spot on.

I'd maybe disagree about McLaren. They might be the same team but it is not just McLaren

McLaren Mercedes then McLaren Honda, McLaren Renault and next year they are back to being McLaren Mercedes.

I don't remember McLaren before they had Mercedes engines but maybe they had other engines too and were called something different and William's Renault was a thing for a while before William's Mercedes.

I don't think the engine supplier changes who the team are, you could add several changes to all the other teams in that case.

I would say that McLaren being Bahraini team now instead of a British team and Williams being an American team instead of a British team and the owners changing in both makes a bigger difference.

 

[Franco Pinion]

I don't remember McLaren before they had Mercedes engines but maybe they had other engines too and were called something different and William's Renault was a thing for a while before William's Mercedes.

McLaren's most famous successful era is actually tied to Honda rather than Mercedes - we're talking the Prost-Senna time. That's why, when they reunited in 2015, some people were expecting them to "make it happen" again. They've also used the ubiquitous Ford Cosworth DFV, TAG-Porsche, Ford gain, then some brief and unsuccessful experiments with Peugeot and one famous single test with Lamborghini (Senna loved the engine, but it didn't happen in the end) before their "first Mercedes era".

And of course, Williams-Renault was a thing (1989-1997), as it was Williams-Honda before it and even...Williams-Judd (for one season only) Also, Sauber-Mercedes, which very few remember but were the team roots, they were running Mercedes' program in Group C and Sauber was how they got back into F1 in 1993.

I don't think the engine supplier changes who the team are, you could add several changes to all the other teams in that case.

Exactly, teams used to change engine partners much more often than today. The one point that can be made about McLaren is that during the 1995-2014 partnership, they came to basically be Mercedes and vice-versa (not on the road cars...funny fact, McLaren 1998 F1 road car used BMW engines); It went quite a bit further than just a works engine agreement, to the point it was the Woking cars being called "Silver Arrows". Mercedes used to own a significant share of the team, which they sold back to Ron Dennis since.

 

[Snoops]

I'd maybe disagree about McLaren. They might be the same team but it is not just McLaren

McLaren Mercedes then McLaren Honda, McLaren Renault and next year they are back to being McLaren Mercedes.

I don't remember McLaren before they had Mercedes engines but maybe they had other engines too and were called something different and William's Renault was a thing for a while before William's Mercedes.

I don't agree. Sometimes the engine supplier bought into the team but if they didn't take a majority stake then it's still the original team.

McLaren sold 20% (I think) to Mercedes in the 90s and sold the shares when it bought its own team. I still consider it the same McLaren team all along

 

[Son Of Jack]

Formula 1 is expected to confirm a 17-race calendar for the 2020 season, including a return to Turkey's Istanbul Park for the first time in nine years.

The 4 new tracks have been confirmed

Turkey - 15th November
Bahrain - 29th November & 6 December
Abu Dhabi - 13th December

 

[Tom]

Great to see they're going back to Turkey. Always was baffled how it was taken off the calendar because it's a great track.

 

[David76]

Great to see they're going back to Turkey. Always was baffled how it was taken off the calendar because it's a great track.

The tracks pay a fortune to hold the race. If they can't sell the tickets then it withdraws from the calendar.

This year is very different because the track are being paid to hold the race.

 

[Son Of Jack]

Renault have withdrawn their protest against Racing Point.

 https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1298337414910484488

 

[Son Of Jack]

Whole Williams family stepping away from Williams.

This weekend's Italian Grand Prix at Monza will mark the final race for the Williams family in Formula One. After 43 years and 739 Grands Prix, the family is set to leave the sport following the recent change in ownership to Dorilton Capital.

Sir Frank and Claire have ensured the family have remained at the helm of the team since the first race on 8th May 1977 at the Circuito de Jarama in Spain. The team has been through many periods of triumph and adversity but has always navigated them as a family. Williams has won 114 Grands Prix, taken 128 pole positions and secured 133 fastest laps, culminating in nine Constructors' and seven Drivers' World Championships. It is the third longest standing team in the history of the sport and one of the most successful.

The recent conclusion of the Strategic Review process and consequent sale of Williams Grand Prix Engineering to US-based investment firm, Dorilton Capital ensures the long-term future of the Williams Formula One team and provides a timely point at which the Williams family have chosen to exit the sport.

Claire Williams OBE, Deputy Team Principal: "With the future of the team now secured, this feels like the appropriate time for us to step away from the sport. As a family, we have always prioritised Williams. We have demonstrated that by our recent actions with the Strategic Review process and we believe now is the right time to hand over the reins and give the new owners the opportunity to take the team into the future.

"We have been in this sport for more than four decades. We are incredibly proud of our track record and the legacy we leave behind. We have always been in it for the love of it, for the pure pleasure of going motor racing, so this is not a decision that we have taken lightly but after much reflection and as a family.

"We are greatly appreciative of Dorilton's encouragement to continue, but in them we know the team will be in good hands and the Williams name will live on. This may be the end of an era for Williams as a family-run team, but it is the beginning of a new era for Williams Racing and we wish them much success in the future.

"On behalf of Frank and the Williams family, I would like to say how incredibly grateful and humbled we are for the support we have enjoyed over the years, from our friends in the paddock to the many fans around the world. But mostly, we would like to thank our team. People who have worked at Williams in the past and present. They are the true warriors of this team and have made it what it is and we wish them well. Formula One has been our life for so long and now it's time for a new chapter in our lives to begin."

Matthew Savage, Chairman of Dorilton Capital and Williams Grand Prix Engineering, said: "We fully respect the very tough decision of Claire and the Williams family to step away from the team and the business after securing new resources for its future. Claire's achievement in sustaining Williams Racing's heritage, relevance and commitment to innovation in a difficult environment since taking charge in 2013 has been nothing short of monumental. She has also been hugely instrumental in shaping a more level technical and financial playing field for F1, which will help to ensure the team's return to the front of the grid in seasons to come. We are proud to carry the Williams name into the next exciting phase for the sport and we thank Sir Frank, Claire and the Williams family for the opportunity to be part of this great British brand."

Sad to see a former great team and after Ferrari and McLaren the third longest team on the grid dissolved.

 

[Fraser]

The biggest disappointment in all this is that Claire and Frank aren't being allowed to see out the season they started.