In my view this doesn't (or, can't) end without the absolute end of the Putin era in Russia.
Russian Invasion of Ukraine | A War in Europe After Hours
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Russia's invasion hardens into a long war of attrition and broken diplomacy
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Russian invasion
sanctions
Kyiv
NATO
ceasefire talks
US aid
The thread opens with alarm as the invasion begins, quickly shifting from cautious speculation to shock and anger as reports confirm attacks on major Ukrainian cities. Early posts focus on troop buildups, civilian danger, NATO limits, and the belief that Russia has launched a war that will carry severe military, economic, and political costs.12
As the war grinds on, the discussion becomes dominated by battlefield updates, sanctions, atrocities, and repeated fears of escalation, including nuclear and chemical threats. Members debate the meaning of territorial gains and losses, condemn Russian propaganda, and increasingly frame the conflict as a struggle not just over land but over the survival of Ukrainian sovereignty.34
Later posts shift toward exhaustion with Western hesitation and then toward frustration at U.S. policy, especially under Trump, whose shifting positions on aid, ceasefires, and negotiations are treated as dangerously pro-Russian. The thread ends with a broad consensus that Ukraine cannot be forced into surrender terms, while Europe must become more self-reliant and skeptical of Washington's reliability.56
"In my view this doesn’t (or, can’t) end without the absolute end of the Putin era in Russia."
"We don't want this war and have never wanted it, But if Ukraine burns, your Moscow will burn too."
Verdict
No lasting resolution is reached, but the thread does crystallize a shared view that Russia's demands are unacceptable and that Ukraine's survival depends on sustained external support. The strongest agreement is on the need for Europe to harden its stance, while the biggest open wound remains whether the West can still shape the outcome.
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- #42
"Peace" talks have started on the Belarus border, Ukrainians asking for Russia to pull out and a ceasefire.
Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is in Belarus assisting the talks, at Kyiv's request..
"I can confirm that Roman Abramovich was contacted by the Ukrainian side for support in achieving a peaceful resolution, and that he has been trying to help ever since," Abramovich's spokesperson told the PA news agency.
"Considering what is at stake, we would ask for your understanding as to why we have not commented on neither the situation as such nor his involvement.
Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is in Belarus assisting the talks, at Kyiv's request..
"I can confirm that Roman Abramovich was contacted by the Ukrainian side for support in achieving a peaceful resolution, and that he has been trying to help ever since," Abramovich's spokesperson told the PA news agency.
"Considering what is at stake, we would ask for your understanding as to why we have not commented on neither the situation as such nor his involvement.
It appears Liz Truss is taken more seriously in Russia than she is here.
Absolutely horrific stuff on Twitter showing the Kharkiv bombings. Dozens of civilians killed. I think that shows where these peace talks are heading unfortunately.
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It's indiscriminate bombing of civilian population centres. Starting to wonder how anything can be negotiated at this point without Putin going at the least. Ideally, he should be escorted to The Hague in handcuffs to stand trial for war crimes, but then so should many in recent years who have not.
Reports of a massive (27km/17m long) convey of Russian military descending on Kyiv. If that is true I cannot see how the Ukrainians can hold on to their capital. I fear the worst.
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- #47
It's only a matter of time before Kyiv falls I fear. I hope to god I'm wrong but the numbers just don't add up. Putin has everything in his favour. Without intervention from the west I fear this is the end of the Ukraine, at least for now. In the future who knows, it could be reborn as Putin fails to hold on to it
It is very likely Kyiv will fall sooner or later. They will not be able to hold it for forever and the sheer number of Russian troops still coming towards Kyiv, they are very likely to break through. The biggest question here I think is, what's next after they take Kyiv? I think it's doubtful now that they can take over entire Ukraine, especially the western part of it, since they had much more time to prepare than the other parts, so does Russia just stop there?
Kharkiv is another city that has come under heavy bombardment over the past few days with the government building there taking a direct hit this morning
Kharkiv is another city that has come under heavy bombardment over the past few days with the government building there taking a direct hit this morning
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I'd guess that the objective is to eliminate/exile Zelenskiy and prop up a puppet government.
The Ukrainians will fight for as long as they can even if Kyiv falls.
Awful in Kharkiv, it looks like the strike actually missed the target and hit Infront of the building.
Still in shock and can't get my head around this happening in Europe in 2022.
Russia will be isolated for a very long time after this. Putin has basically condemned this country to a slow and painful death - the world will not forget this for a long time.
The Ukrainians will fight for as long as they can even if Kyiv falls.
Awful in Kharkiv, it looks like the strike actually missed the target and hit Infront of the building.
Still in shock and can't get my head around this happening in Europe in 2022.
Russia will be isolated for a very long time after this. Putin has basically condemned this country to a slow and painful death - the world will not forget this for a long time.
That Kharkov airstrike is the kind of thing I was worried about. Just have to hope for a Moscow coup, don't know what else can stop this nonsense invasion.
